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		<title>Comment on Digital History: The Course That Never Ends by Debating the Digital Humanities Gets Real &#124; Trevor Owens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debating the Digital Humanities Gets Real &#124; Trevor Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is my second time around at the course. After teaching my first incarnation of the course I wrote a series of reflective blog posts about the experience. The goal of those posts was to distill and refine my thinking about the role that public blogging [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is my second time around at the course. After teaching my first incarnation of the course I wrote a series of reflective blog posts about the experience. The goal of those posts was to distill and refine my thinking about the role that public blogging [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ancient Wisdom from the Forums: Failures of Collective Intelligence by Joanne Manaster (@sciencegoddess)</title>
		<link>http://www.trevorowens.org/2011/12/ancient-wisdom-from-the-forums-failures-of-collective-intelligence/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Manaster (@sciencegoddess)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 03:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times have I been tempted to use &quot;let me google that...&quot; but can&#039;t bring myself to &quot;humiliate&quot; others despite the fact they probably deserve it? I&#039;ve gotten to the point of just ignoring questions with obvious answers. Same thing if they follow me and ask questions about me that are answered clearly on my website (&quot;What do you teach?&quot; is one).  
 
I love that XKCD post, too! 
 
I am paying &quot;blog calls&quot; to all @scio12 attendees to say &quot;Hi&quot; and give a shoutout on twitte (I&#039;m @sciencegoddess) . I look forward to meeting in January! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times have I been tempted to use &#8220;let me google that&#8230;&#8221; but can&#8217;t bring myself to &#8220;humiliate&#8221; others despite the fact they probably deserve it? I&#8217;ve gotten to the point of just ignoring questions with obvious answers. Same thing if they follow me and ask questions about me that are answered clearly on my website (&#8220;What do you teach?&#8221; is one). </p>
<p>I love that XKCD post, too!</p>
<p>I am paying &#8220;blog calls&#8221; to all @scio12 attendees to say &#8220;Hi&#8221; and give a shoutout on twitte (I&#8217;m @sciencegoddess) . I look forward to meeting in January!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Techies You Decide! You’re either a Feminist or a Misogynist by Fran</title>
		<link>http://www.trevorowens.org/2011/12/techies-you-decide-you%e2%80%99re-either-a-feminist-or-a-misogynist/#comment-1076</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a feminist. And very glad to see a post about the need for more male feminists! Having said that, the amount of female anti-feminists also worries me. Your comment about more awareness is valid not only for the online harrassment issue, but also for informing people what feminism really is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a feminist. And very glad to see a post about the need for more male feminists! Having said that, the amount of female anti-feminists also worries me. Your comment about more awareness is valid not only for the online harrassment issue, but also for informing people what feminism really is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Techies You Decide! You’re either a Feminist or a Misogynist by tjowens</title>
		<link>http://www.trevorowens.org/2011/12/techies-you-decide-you%e2%80%99re-either-a-feminist-or-a-misogynist/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>tjowens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are really great questions Ted and I don&#039;t pretend to have necessarly good answers. Here are a few quick thoughts. 

1. More Awareness: I think there are some folks, guys in particular, that just have no idea how rough the web can be for women. I think the more people know about this the more likely they are to a) second guess their own actions and b) intervene. 

2. Calling People Out: Trolls are loud and they will come back in force, but if all someone hears are trolls it strongly works to reinforce the baggage that is out there. I think it is important for more people to stand behind and voice their concerns in all contexts as a feminist.

Beyond this, I can say that following and supporting conversations, on blogs like &lt;a href=&quot;http://geekfeminism.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geek Feminism &lt;/a&gt;, and participating in things like &lt;a href=&quot;http://findingada.com/&quot;Ada Lovelace day&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; are also a good first steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are really great questions Ted and I don&#8217;t pretend to have necessarly good answers. Here are a few quick thoughts. </p>
<p>1. More Awareness: I think there are some folks, guys in particular, that just have no idea how rough the web can be for women. I think the more people know about this the more likely they are to a) second guess their own actions and b) intervene. </p>
<p>2. Calling People Out: Trolls are loud and they will come back in force, but if all someone hears are trolls it strongly works to reinforce the baggage that is out there. I think it is important for more people to stand behind and voice their concerns in all contexts as a feminist.</p>
<p>Beyond this, I can say that following and supporting conversations, on blogs like <a href="http://geekfeminism.org/" rel="nofollow">Geek Feminism </a>, and participating in things like <a href="http://findingada.com/"Ada Lovelace day</a rel="nofollow"> are also a good first steps.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Techies You Decide! You’re either a Feminist or a Misogynist by Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curse these fat fingers. Two typos mar my comment.

*(This exchange seems as good an example as any.)

&amp;

*...and pray we convert them while coming out unscathed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curse these fat fingers. Two typos mar my comment.</p>
<p>*(This exchange seems as good an example as any.)</p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p>*&#8230;and pray we convert them while coming out unscathed?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Techies You Decide! You’re either a Feminist or a Misogynist by Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. Being naive of this topic &amp; male, I don&#039;t know how much I can add. But within the &lt;a&gt;reddit comments&lt;/a&gt; and related discussions two general reactions seemed to be evident. 
 
&lt;b&gt;1.) This cannot stand.&lt;/b&gt; Sexism is sexism, and must be fought and &quot;called out&quot; in every instance. 
 
&lt;b&gt;2.) There&#039;s not much you can do about it.&lt;/b&gt; People who really believe it won&#039;t change, and the other folks who use that rhetoric are simply trolls, willing to do anything for attention. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/n9r60/excellent_post_about_sexism_and_gamers/c37eto0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; exchange seems as an example as any.) 
 
Which leaves me with this question: do the sexist commenters know that their speech is inappropriate, wrong and hurtful? (good luck convincing true believers of the last two). I think it&#039;s pretty hard to argue that they don&#039;t. If this is the case, does pointing out their depravity make an impact? They know it&#039;s wrong, but that apparently hasn&#039;t dissuaded them from the behavior. 
 
Or more pointedly, do they realize that there is another human on the other end of the internet? I think this is the quality most often lacking in those commenters. It&#039;s much easier to see the LCD in front of you than the person a few routers away. 
 
&lt;b&gt;So what&#039;s the plan of action?&lt;/b&gt; Ignoring it is easier and more comfortable. There&#039;s a certain inevitability to anonymous people being abrasive that makes sweeping it under the rug appealing. In some cases, fighting it with blogs and comments only gives the trolls the attention they crave, and reinforces their belief in sexism&#039;s ability to provoke a response.  
 
On the other hand, what if the sexists really don&#039;t know how unacceptable their speech is? Challenging their BS could set them straight. Depending on how many dyed-in-the-wool sexists vs. trolls vs. unconscious misogynists one believes exists, this could be pretty effective or a total flop. It&#039;ll take energy, time, and determination (and could cost even more, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/13/on-being-harassed-a-little-gf-history-and-some-current-events/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Skud&#039;s experience&lt;/a&gt; shows) but it could also make a difference. And if no one fights, how can anyone expect positive change? 
 
I ask as a newb, a dunderhead and a plebe, &lt;b&gt;what&#039;s one to do?&lt;/b&gt; What is the best way to reduce the sum total of sexism in the little corner of the internet I experience? Don&#039;t feed the trolls, shun them, and hope the sexists have a sudden flash of empathy? Or fight them on the forums, fight them on the comments, the blogs and the streets... and pray we convert it though while coming out unscathed? 
 
Or better yet, is there a third (or forth, fifth, etc.) option I&#039;ve yet to consider? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. Being naive of this topic &amp; male, I don&#8217;t know how much I can add. But within the <a>reddit comments</a> and related discussions two general reactions seemed to be evident.</p>
<p><b>1.) This cannot stand.</b> Sexism is sexism, and must be fought and &#8220;called out&#8221; in every instance.</p>
<p><b>2.) There&#8217;s not much you can do about it.</b> People who really believe it won&#8217;t change, and the other folks who use that rhetoric are simply trolls, willing to do anything for attention. (<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/n9r60/excellent_post_about_sexism_and_gamers/c37eto0" rel="nofollow">This</a> exchange seems as an example as any.)</p>
<p>Which leaves me with this question: do the sexist commenters know that their speech is inappropriate, wrong and hurtful? (good luck convincing true believers of the last two). I think it&#8217;s pretty hard to argue that they don&#8217;t. If this is the case, does pointing out their depravity make an impact? They know it&#8217;s wrong, but that apparently hasn&#8217;t dissuaded them from the behavior.</p>
<p>Or more pointedly, do they realize that there is another human on the other end of the internet? I think this is the quality most often lacking in those commenters. It&#8217;s much easier to see the LCD in front of you than the person a few routers away.</p>
<p><b>So what&#8217;s the plan of action?</b> Ignoring it is easier and more comfortable. There&#8217;s a certain inevitability to anonymous people being abrasive that makes sweeping it under the rug appealing. In some cases, fighting it with blogs and comments only gives the trolls the attention they crave, and reinforces their belief in sexism&#8217;s ability to provoke a response. </p>
<p>On the other hand, what if the sexists really don&#8217;t know how unacceptable their speech is? Challenging their BS could set them straight. Depending on how many dyed-in-the-wool sexists vs. trolls vs. unconscious misogynists one believes exists, this could be pretty effective or a total flop. It&#8217;ll take energy, time, and determination (and could cost even more, as <a href="http://geekfeminism.org/2011/10/13/on-being-harassed-a-little-gf-history-and-some-current-events/" rel="nofollow">Skud&#8217;s experience</a> shows) but it could also make a difference. And if no one fights, how can anyone expect positive change?</p>
<p>I ask as a newb, a dunderhead and a plebe, <b>what&#8217;s one to do?</b> What is the best way to reduce the sum total of sexism in the little corner of the internet I experience? Don&#8217;t feed the trolls, shun them, and hope the sexists have a sudden flash of empathy? Or fight them on the forums, fight them on the comments, the blogs and the streets&#8230; and pray we convert it though while coming out unscathed?</p>
<p>Or better yet, is there a third (or forth, fifth, etc.) option I&#8217;ve yet to consider?</p>
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		<title>Comment on My First Citation! Not my writing but my gaming? by tjowens</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjowens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet! That wins for first citation :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet! That wins for first citation <img src='http://www.trevorowens.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on My First Citation! Not my writing but my gaming? by Jason Puckett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Puckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did cite an interview with you about Zotero in my book.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Newbs, N00bs and Elitists: Neologisms for learners and teachers in open online communities by tjowens</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjowens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes a lot of sense. It&#039;s interesting to think about how much of this stuff is involves a mixture of technical systems affording particular social interactions. In this case, the difference between threaded discussion boards and everybody having their own space ends up translating into different kinds of relationships based on how content gets surfaced. At the same time, I am also curious about the kinds of cultural differences that come from people signing on for open education projects and people signing on to some game forum because they are interested in it and without necessarly knowing it ending up participating in a kind of open education system. So the difference between the MOOC crowd and things like game forums, fanfic forums, open source software forums, etc. In any event, I find it fascinating to think about what parts of these things are primarily about culture and expectations and which of them are really about how specific technical functionality affords particular kinds of roles and identities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes a lot of sense. It&#8217;s interesting to think about how much of this stuff is involves a mixture of technical systems affording particular social interactions. In this case, the difference between threaded discussion boards and everybody having their own space ends up translating into different kinds of relationships based on how content gets surfaced. At the same time, I am also curious about the kinds of cultural differences that come from people signing on for open education projects and people signing on to some game forum because they are interested in it and without necessarly knowing it ending up participating in a kind of open education system. So the difference between the MOOC crowd and things like game forums, fanfic forums, open source software forums, etc. In any event, I find it fascinating to think about what parts of these things are primarily about culture and expectations and which of them are really about how specific technical functionality affords particular kinds of roles and identities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Newbs, N00bs and Elitists: Neologisms for learners and teachers in open online communities by Jim Groom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Groom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor,
One of the things I have noticed with ds106 is that the dynamic of boards or space is a bit different. There are still newbs and noobs, but the fact that everyone has there own space actually might play into the downplaying of the noobs. Fact is the cost of engagement is a lot of work, so there is that first and foremost. But also the fact that they do the work on their own blog space and then it syndicates into the main site makes the potential for boarding bastardly elitism less and less. I have had student complain about the course and the assignments in posts and I responded in kind, complaining how they are annoying and need to get with the program. What&#039;s more, if their stuff sucks, no one really comments on it and it disappears into the ether.  And that is the ultimate way of sorting the wheat from the chaff, and I think th distributed nature of an open, online course makes those blowups a bit more distributed, which diffuses them right away. In that way, the aggregated/syndicated model is perfect for MOOC crowd control ;) Until they #occupy the aggregation space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor,<br />
One of the things I have noticed with ds106 is that the dynamic of boards or space is a bit different. There are still newbs and noobs, but the fact that everyone has there own space actually might play into the downplaying of the noobs. Fact is the cost of engagement is a lot of work, so there is that first and foremost. But also the fact that they do the work on their own blog space and then it syndicates into the main site makes the potential for boarding bastardly elitism less and less. I have had student complain about the course and the assignments in posts and I responded in kind, complaining how they are annoying and need to get with the program. What&#8217;s more, if their stuff sucks, no one really comments on it and it disappears into the ether.  And that is the ultimate way of sorting the wheat from the chaff, and I think th distributed nature of an open, online course makes those blowups a bit more distributed, which diffuses them right away. In that way, the aggregated/syndicated model is perfect for MOOC crowd control <img src='http://www.trevorowens.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Until they #occupy the aggregation space.</p>
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